Chasemm18 said: @xCREEPINGDEATH I would take anything before the week after launch with a grain of salt, I think it will probably be overkill for things that have DLSS already, but I think for games that have shit optimization (it seems to be a growing trend with AAA releases these days) the 3090 will be able to compensate for that in a way that will make the delta between 3080 and 3090 greater in 4k, if you’re not gaming in 4k a 3090 is pointless, red dead will be interesting to see on the 3090 because the 3080 benchmarks were not very impressive given how it performs on other games. Yeah so far not impressed with these cards tbh. Seems Nvidia is trying to push DLSS as the end all be all of high res gaming instead of improving the hardware
Chasemm18 said: Agreed BUT to be fair DLSS is incredible, death stranding actually looks better on DLSS 4k than native. With the rumor that the beta DLSS 3.0 in development will support any game that uses AA is extremely promising and would disrupt the market big time. I think AMD need to find their own alternative to DLSS, I’m excited to see if the have anything up their sleeve with this Navi launch. Idk man. I play at 4k and rarely use AA. Makes games look soft.
xCREEPINGDEATH said: Anyone else worried about these 10% on avg faster than 3080 statements? That is pretty bad.
Ichthus said: xCREEPINGDEATH said: Anyone else worried about these 10% on avg faster than 3080 statements? That is pretty bad. I mean the 3090 is really a different type of card altogether. It may be named the same way as the consumer-focused gaming cards, but the 3090 is the replacement for the RTX Titan. The RTX Titan was basically identical in gaming performance to the 2080ti despite being twice as expensive, because it was really a workstation card that was designed for applications that are heavily VRAM intensive. People should be treating the 3090 the same way. If you're concerned about 10GB of VRAM not being enough (and you really shouldn't, 10GB is plenty even at 4k) then you should just wait for the 20GB 3080 to come out instead and buy that.Thought they said 3090 was replacement for titan and Ti
CrownRoger2020 said: I don't think the RTX 3090 will be overkill for RDR2 or Cyberpunk 2020. Nvidia's 4k Ampere Cyberpunk ray tracing trailer was capped at 30 frames for a reason. As for 10%, that may be for some games rather than the average, but I'm only guessing. If you look at this Tom's Hardware article for the gap between the GTX 1080 and the first Pascal Nvidia Titan X, not to be confused with the GTX Titan X of the Maxwell generation, or the Pascal Titan Xp, the performance gap between the 2 cards varied quite a bit depending on the game: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-titan-x-12gb,4700.html
YoshiMoshi said: CrownRoger2020 said: I don't think the RTX 3090 will be overkill for RDR2 or Cyberpunk 2020. Nvidia's 4k Ampere Cyberpunk ray tracing trailer was capped at 30 frames for a reason. As for 10%, that may be for some games rather than the average, but I'm only guessing. If you look at this Tom's Hardware article for the gap between the GTX 1080 and the first Pascal Nvidia Titan X, not to be confused with the GTX Titan X of the Maxwell generation, or the Pascal Titan Xp, the performance gap between the 2 cards varied quite a bit depending on the game: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-titan-x-12gb,4700.html how do you know it was 30 FPS?
YoshiMoshi said: 10 GB of VRAM is "just enough' at 4k ultra in 2020. This likely will not be the case in 2021. Even in a few months, CyberPunk 2077 may require more than 10 GB of VRAM at 4k ultra. Hence the need for the 20 GB RTX 3080 or the 16 GB RTX 3070. Would you rather have to buy a 3090 now, or a 3080 10 GB now and then a 3080 20 GB in 2021?
elcid_777 said: kishinfoulux said: Well Microcenter finally replied to my text (several hours later)."Good day! We're sold out nationwide. No ETA currently for when we will be receiving more. Those also can not be reserved/preordered due to such high demand."Guess I should finally sleep. I've been up for a while since I left work the other day lol. yeah, getting tired of these bs, mysterious, vague blanket statements by micro center. fck nvidia for doing this. they honestly don't deserve anyones money. greedy scum bags.
kishinfoulux said: Well Microcenter finally replied to my text (several hours later)."Good day! We're sold out nationwide. No ETA currently for when we will be receiving more. Those also can not be reserved/preordered due to such high demand."Guess I should finally sleep. I've been up for a while since I left work the other day lol.
TSMichaelB said: elcid_777 said: kishinfoulux said: Well Microcenter finally replied to my text (several hours later)."Good day! We're sold out nationwide. No ETA currently for when we will be receiving more. Those also can not be reserved/preordered due to such high demand."Guess I should finally sleep. I've been up for a while since I left work the other day lol. yeah, getting tired of these bs, mysterious, vague blanket statements by micro center. fck nvidia for doing this. they honestly don't deserve anyones money. greedy scum bags. The post below does not reflect the views of Micro Center, but rather my personal opinion/views.While I understand the frustration, we can only really provide information that we have answers to. Anything beyond that would be conjecture and that would only serve to further frustrate everyone. I'd rather give you a blanket statement regarding what I do know if the alternative is to keep you all in the dark. The simple truth of the matter is that we do not have specific answers as to when we will receive new inventory or what models are available during those shipments. Those decisions are made far above the pay grade of the average MC employee and even then, those making those decisions are entirely at the mercy of the available supply being manufactured and offered to various retailers worldwide.We can run this information up the chain and pass along the requests we get, but the demand for these cards are so high that by the time we get a definitive answer, that answer may change or no longer be relevant by the time actual product shows up. It's almost futile to give out a stock number of how many cards a store may have, because they sell out so fast that by the time I check and convey that information, 10 cards can turn into 0 cards.Understand that we are not trying to give everyone the runaround. It's in our best interests to do our best to help everyone get the products they are looking for. Even if I take my Micro Center hat off and address you as a fellow enthusiast, I want to see you all get these cards because it serves my interests for others to have access to this hardware to better inform me on my own personal purchasing decisions in the future.I know this might not mean much to most people, but I do want to thank everyone for sticking with us. This might be one of the craziest product launches I've ever seen, and it happened in the middle of a global pandemic. The fact that everyone is still here, sharing information with one another and helping each other get their cards and promotional deals is nothing short of inspiring. Hopefully when we get through this turbulent launch, you all stick around to discuss your thoughts on the RTX 3000 series in general, as I'd love to see some overclocking results and some custom power modifications/exotic cooling results. Best of luck to everyone still looking to source a GPU and my thanks again for those of you that already got their cards but are still here helping others do the same.
Ichthus said: YoshiMoshi said: 10 GB of VRAM is "just enough' at 4k ultra in 2020. This likely will not be the case in 2021. Even in a few months, CyberPunk 2077 may require more than 10 GB of VRAM at 4k ultra. Hence the need for the 20 GB RTX 3080 or the 16 GB RTX 3070. Would you rather have to buy a 3090 now, or a 3080 10 GB now and then a 3080 20 GB in 2021? I mean this all 100% speculation. We have no idea how much VRAM will be required in the future. Even at 4k max settings there's no game right now that actually needs a full 10GB of VRAM. We're hitting 7-8GB at most at the moment. I think it's unlikely to expect such drastic increases in VRAM requirements for video games for a while.I think you're overestimating how detrimental 10GB of VRAM would be even if games started to require a little bit more at 4k. All you have to do would be lower a handful of settings and call it a day. You don't have to buy a whole new card. I'd rather buy the 10GB 3080 now because it's more than sufficient and will last for several years before I need to upgrade again even if I'm playing at 4k.
elcid_777 said: YoshiMoshi said: 10 GB of VRAM is "just enough' at 4k ultra in 2020. This likely will not be the case in 2021. Even in a few months, CyberPunk 2077 may require more than 10 GB of VRAM at 4k ultra. Hence the need for the 20 GB RTX 3080 or the 16 GB RTX 3070. Would you rather have to buy a 3090 now, or a 3080 10 GB now and then a 3080 20 GB in 2021? Agreed, I am currently playing Horizon Zero Dawn at 4k, ultra settings with a Zotac 3080 Trinity, and afterburner is reporting almost 10gb of vram. However, this is allocated and what the game is asking for, not necessarily using. And yes....I was able to get my hands on a 3080. Had to purchase from someone who waited all night at the Tustin,CA store and at a much greater price than msrp unfortunately. I am ashamed I fell to a scalper but what has been done cannot be undone and I have the 3080. We need a new driver from nvidia asap, and also, zotac and msi ventus 3080 seem to have an issue with crashing in games unless core clock is lower by -30 to -50. All in all, the 3000 series release is a clusterfuck of a mess.
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